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Marquez Don't have a phone number on that phone? I don't have your your phone number on
David this phone. That's a crazy phone. I know. I got really lucky when I was 14.
Marquez Yo. What is up people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
Marquez And I'm David. And this week, A surprising amount of different stuff, a variety of stuff all in the tech world. Mhmm. Beeper did a thing. Mhmm.
Marquez Toyota launching some new EVs.
David I found you.
Marquez Google updating some RCS stuff that's interesting. Mhmm. Also, Google fully releasing a new Gemini model, new pixel feature drop. It's also our 200th episode. 200th.
Marquez Pretty exciting. It was exciting stuff, I would say.
n/a Mhmm.
Marquez But first, We should at least acknowledge the GTA 6 trailer, given that this is a show we put on YouTube and this is just breaking all of the YouTube records That's true. Which is the most fascinating part to me. Yeah. So I guess there's a little bit of a I literally don't know the backstory, But there's a backstory of this being leaked a little bit, and they've been working on this game for a long time. And it's been years years years since the last GTA, and they're finally gonna make a GTA 6 And the trailer, just to get out ahead of all the leaks, they just decide to publish it on YouTube.
Marquez So they publish it, and it does Numbers. Yeah. Those crazy numbers because everyone wants to know what's in the new GTA. Yeah. And it turns out there's a lot of scenes that are literally just Real life.
Marquez Just looks exactly like Miami. Just it's awesome. But Yeah. It broke the record for most views Of a non music video in a 24 hour span Yeah. For a YouTube video.
David Yeah. And it's only a little bit under the music video That it that it, didn't break. Yeah.
Marquez Music music videos do crazy. Like, K pop numbers are, like Yeah. Another stratosphere. But As far as non music videos, I think Mr. Beast held the record of, like, the last 2 highest were, I think, around 60,000,000.
David 69, 60,000,000. 59 point For
Marquez which, again, think about that. 1 YouTube video comes out, and in 24 hours, 60,000,000 people Watch it. Yeah. Not necessarily 60,000,000 people, but 60,000,000 views. It could be 30,000,000 people watching it twice, but that's a it's a lot.
David And this was almost 80,000,000. And 80,000,000 people watch this trailer in 24 hours. I think people were very excited for this because, GTA 5 is 1 of those games sort of like Skyrim that just keeps getting rereleased on every platform ever. There's, like, jokes that you could run, you know, Skyrim or GTA 5 on, like, your LG refrigerator display.
Marquez Mhmm.
David So people have been waiting for this forever, but there's a very interesting kinda timeline of how this trailer got released because they ended up having to release it earlier than they expected to.
Marquez Yeah. So why what what actually happened? Because I didn't really see it.
David Yeah. So, originally, Rockstar said they would debut the trailer on December 5th at 9 AM e t. And then at 5:30 PM on December 4th, this account called gta 6 trailer leak appeared on Twitter Okay. And released the trailer. 30 minutes later at 6 PM, the account got suspended.
David So Rockstar immediately went to Twitter and was like, please take this down. And then at 6:10 PM, Rockstar was just like, the trailer already got leaked, so here it is. And they just launched it, like, a day early. So it's actually surprising to me that it got that it broke all those records because they released it at a time when they told people they weren't going to release they really stay early.
Marquez I guess it's 1 of those things where if you hype up the hype if you pre hype the hype, then it's You have people waiting for it. Like, I don't know when they told people, hey. The trailer's coming. To me, it's always been funny to see, like, a movie Trailer trailer? Yeah.
Marquez Or to to get people hyped for the trailer for the thing. Yeah. This isn't the game. This is just the trailer for the game. Yeah.
Marquez But they they told people about it early enough that they're all waiting for it. Yeah. I imagine it blew up a little bit before getting suspended on Twitter. But Boy. Then when it dropped on YouTube, it was like, oh, this is it.
Marquez Yeah. This is real.
David Well, I saw some Reddit posts, when people started posting it on Reddit when it actually officially came out. A lot of people were like, wasn't this supposed to come out tomorrow? Yeah. So but it's a game that's coming out in 2025. So this trailer is very early on.
David Yeah. And that's assuming that it doesn't get delayed over and over again. So
Marquez We shall see. Yeah. But the records are hilarious. Yeah. I do remember seeing it had well over a 1000000 likes In the first, like, 15 minutes?
David Yeah. It broke the, like, counter.
Marquez So people have been saying it broke things. I don't think I ever saw it actually break anything.
David I think it just froze everything.
Marquez Right? So YouTube has this new feature where it kind of tries to live count things Yeah. And show you the most up to date public counter. Yeah. And that was still working, But I think what people often forget is there's also a difference between the publicly viewable Right.
Marquez Counter and the Total amount of counted views The actual views. Verification. Mhmm. And so in the YouTube studio, like, when I put on a new video, I can See that there is some number of extra views that haven't been showed to the public yet Yeah. On, like, every video as soon as it launches.
Marquez Yeah. And so This was just the instance of the biggest possible delta because the views were just tumbling in. Yeah. They didn't count them all within the 1st few minutes. They had to Verify them like they usually do.
Marquez So, yeah, it looked crazy. It probably showed, like, 50,000 views and a 1000000 likes.
David When I watched the trailer, it was 17 minutes after they released it, and it said 1,000 views. And I was like, That's not real.
Marquez Jesus. It's
David definitely, like, a1000000 at this point.
Marquez Wow. Yeah. No. It in 17 minutes, I think it had several 1000000 views Yeah. Because it had a 1000000 likes.
David Jesus. The
Marquez thing about like, the ratio usually is, like, 10 to 1. Probably had 10,000,000 views in 20 minutes.
David Yeah. I will be surprised.
Marquez So Unbelievable. Anyway
n/a Do you guys wanna guess how many views it has now?
Marquez I think it's over a100. It's
David gotta be over a100. A little more specific. 110.
n/a 110? 111. 107. Wow. Crazy.
n/a Okay. A 107,000,000 views. Yeah.
David I at this point too, because there's so much news about it being the most viewed video, I think that also adds fuel to the fire. And that's people wanting to go Watch it.
Marquez My 1 YouTube rewind was breaking the record for most dislikes. And everyone And nobody had fucking vibe. Everyone who didn't dislike it
David was like, I'll toss the dislike in there. Yeah.
Marquez I'll be a part of the
David record. The same as, like, Reddit. Like, when something has a lot of up votes or a lot of down votes, you're much more likely to up vote or down vote it. Participate. Yeah.
David Yeah.
n/a We were talking about it earlier too because this Trailer's only a minute and 30 seconds.
Marquez Yeah.
n/a The duration is probably close to, like, a 100%. So the algorithm is just serving it to
David every Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Marquez Average watch time? Yeah.
David How much money would you guess this made?
Marquez In AdSense? Yeah.
David In AdSense.
n/a $17, at least.
Marquez That's an interesting question. I mean, I that's a pretty raunchy video.
David Right.
n/a So I
Marquez don't know that it would do crazy AdSense numbers just for that reason. Yeah. But, quick napkin math, a 100,000,000. I'm gonna go with, $400,000. 400 thou Really?
Marquez Yeah.
David For a 100,000,000 views
Marquez Yeah. For For a
David for a video that's
Marquez GTA trailer with, like I mean, you watched it.
David Right? I did.
Marquez So you know it's, like, not the most ad friendly thing ever? Yeah. Yeah.
n/a Yeah. It has a bunch of mid rolls.
Marquez Midrolls, you can't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Midrolls, you need to be 8 minutes long, which is, much longer than
David that. Funny because Linda Yaccarino was Tweeting like this. Come on, rock star. Why don't you just drop it on Twitter?
Marquez And And somebody put, like, the the view count of, like, someone who did post it on Twitter versus YouTube, And it was, like, much higher on Twitter, but that's just because YouTube shows impressions as views. Right. And nobody knows But that's a different thing?
David Yeah.
Marquez I guarantee the impressions number on YouTube for that video is insane. It's probably with a b on it. Yeah.
David It's crazy. Probably.
Marquez So yeah. Anyway, YouTube history. If you haven't watched it, you should be ashamed because everyone else has watched it. What are you doing? A 100,000,000 people are waiting for
David you to check it out.
Marquez So Yeah. That's over there.
David Yeah. Okay. And, yeah, none of us really play Video games that much.
Marquez I'm so sorry. So this is just far from the last GTA enough that I did have a little bit of nostalgia.
David 13 years ago. Yeah. So maybe that was at a time when you didn't you start your channel 13 years ago? Longer.
Marquez Oh. But I did Play a little bit of the g t the last GTA
David Okay. On a PC Okay.
Marquez In my parents' house.
n/a GTA 5 was released in 2013, by the way.
David It was 10 years ago?
Marquez Yeah.
David I think it was 4. Share on I think
Marquez it was 4.
n/a September 17th.
David At all or on PC? Because, like, you
n/a know Initial release, whatever that means.
David 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay. Now we've got, Google just updated our CS Fairly substantially, which is funny because it comes very soon after Apple saying that they're going to be adding RCS in 2024.
Marquez Yeah.
David Apparently, they passed 1,000,000,000 users on RCS, which is pretty crazy.
Marquez That's the threshold for Google to not kill it.
David Yes. It's true. I mean, there's 8,000,000,000 people on the planet, so a 1000000000 users is pretty insane. Solid. Okay.
David They added Photo emoji, which is effectively the same thing as the Imessage stickers that you can do where you can sort of cut out a object with AI from and then turn it into a sticker. Although, they don't do stickers. They do it just as, emoji reacts. So just kind of like a tap back Slack. You can use any emoji through RCS to do an emoji react, but now you can use your own stickers, which is, like, not as good, in my opinion, as the Imessage stickers because Imessage stickers, you can resize and place anywhere on the thread.
David I never use stickers. Oh, I use them.
Marquez I every time I fast. Every time we get to that section of the WWDC keynote, my eyes glaze over,
David and I just wait
Marquez for the next because I I am involved in 0 group chats where anyone has ever put a sticker on anything.
David Oh, okay. I just do it to annoy people.
Marquez But oh. It would work.
David Yeah. Yeah.
n/a When it first came out, David and I were testing it. And our chat It
David was super broken.
n/a We, like, went back
Marquez and looked at it the other day.
n/a It was just disgusting. Stickers everywhere.
Marquez I couldn't I couldn't yeah.
David They improved audio quality for voice messages, which is great, and they added something called Voice moods, which you should click the link to to see what this looks like. But, effectively, when you send a voice message, you can include A mood to go along with the voice message
Marquez Oh, no.
David Which, like, colors the message bubble. And, like, if you're angry, it will show fire. If you're, like, excited, it will show, like, hearts. Very strange and exciting, but fun, I guess. Yeah.
Marquez Okay. Just another thing I'm Literally never gonna use, but
David that's cool. I appreciate the higher quality. Is pretty unique. That one's pretty unique. They added screen effects for certain words and phrases, which If you're an iMessage user, that already happens.
David If you say happy birthday, there's balloons. If you say, like, happy New Year, there's fireworks, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Apparently, they added 15 of those. You can change the bubble colors to be custom.
David Feel like that's kind of a reaction to color
Marquez should we make them?
David No. Not green and blue. They now have reaction effects for 10 of the most popular emoji. This is something that Telegram has had for a long time, where if you react with Specific emoji, it'll be like if you do the thumbs up emoji, there'll be thumbs everywhere, which is kind of a fun little thing. They added animated emoji, which is fun, So that now when you put an emoji in the chat, if it's like a smiley face, it'll be like smiling in different directions and stuff.
David Yeah. It's basically, they're just, like, making RCS it's a lot more dynamic. Sure. And then there's this 1 called profiles, which is actually very useful, and I experienced this a couple of days ago that someone was using it, where You can choose a name and image that accompanies your phone number so that if someone if you text somebody and they don't already have your number saved, it'll show their number and, their name and their profile photo Yeah. Next to the phone number so you know who it is.
David This is
Marquez the 1 that I really like. That one's really good. I've had phones in the past, like, try to do this automatically. They they'll, like, look up I think they're using some database, not even pictures, but sometimes pictures do appear. I'll text I'll get a text from someone that I I know them, but I haven't put their contact info on my phone yet, and then their name and a blurry photo appears.
Marquez And I'm like, oh, that's a Yeah. Alright, I guess. Yeah. This Ideally, it's better than that.
David Definitely. On Imessage, you have the option to, like, share your name and photo with everyone versus just contacts. Yeah. So this is an option to share it with, like, literally everyone that is also using RCS chat, which is it. Yeah.
David Alright. Well, I think
Marquez we should take a quick break before
David we get into the really thick part of the episode. Think of it. The thick Part of the episode with 2 major news points. So, let's do some trivia.
n/a Why did no 1 Report what why the RCS voice messages sound better now. I couldn't find a single article
David Why it sounds better?
n/a Well, they said Increased sample rate and bit rate. But to what? From what?
Marquez I think they're just happy about bigger file size support, and they'll do anything to fill up the file size.
David They also have that Clear calling capability that, like, which I love, enhances it with speech.
Marquez Every once in a while, I get on, like, a good clear Wi Fi call, and I'm like, wow. This is incredible.
David Yeah. You're like, it's like a VoIP.
Marquez My next 9 phone calls sound like garbage? Yeah. Anyway So
n/a Anyway, let's do some trivia. So this is Episode 200. Congratulations, boys. We've really Damn.
David You sound so excited.
n/a Well, you better be excited because this next question is about David. Oh. Specifically, What was the 1st episode of Video Waveform? Very specific. What was the 1st episode of Video Waveform to feature David Amell Oh.
n/a As a full host. And I'll accept either
David The number.
n/a The episode number.
David Wait. A full host or as a guest host?
n/a As in full host, you're in the thumbnail on the whole episode.
David Oh. I'll
n/a accept either the number in a Price is Right format. Closes without going over. Oh. Or I will accept the topic of the episode.
Marquez I'm gonna try a number. I'm gonna try a number because I don't remember that. Yeah. I think I can sort of estimate. Alright.
Marquez Okay. We'll do the answers at the end like usual. Be right back. Support for Waveform comes from Visible. Alright.
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Marquez Mobile hotspot with unlimited data at speeds up at 5 megabits per second, Limited to 1 device. Alright. Welcome back. Real quick news update at the top. You know, we record these live and, you know, little Mark Gurman tweet in the middle of the podcast never hurt.
Marquez New, Apple plans spring launch for revamped iPad Pro, new iPad Air, including the 12.9 inch size. Wow. Revamped Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil and M3 13 inch and 15 inch MacBook Airs. None of this is shocking. I do hope that a revamped Magic Keyboard means USB type c.
David Yeah. But what about the Magic Mouse?
Marquez And hope Hopefully I was gonna say track the trackpad should also be USB type c. Uh-huh. The Magic Mouse Shouldn't still look like that.
David Yeah. It's frustrating. I use the trackpad, and every now and then, it dies. And then I have to go find a lightning cable to charge it.
Marquez I feel you. What if
n/a they never fixed the Magic Mouse? Just purely out of, like, stubbornness.
Marquez The Magic Mouse Apple's mice are like GTA. They come out once every, like, 8, 9, 10 years.
David That's true.
Marquez And everybody's like, finally, a new 1. How long you been working on this? And then it just goes for another 8, 9, 10 years.
David I did hear the new, iPad Pro from a source of mine, is going to be, like, completely revamped, and it's gonna be like Okay.
Marquez I've heard this before, but what does that even mean? Because it's the iPad every time. With a new faster chip with a new fast chip, it's amazingly powerful.
David I think it's a new dis I think it's a new display type. Oh, yeah. Like, microLED or something.
Marquez Interesting.
David Yeah. But it's But I think it will be microLED. Yeah.
Marquez Which is great, but then you're gonna use it and you're gonna be like, it's still an iPad. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Perfect.
David I mean yeah. Unless they, like, revamp I iPadOS to have some sort of macOS functionality or something. Right.
Marquez I cross my fingers every time, and then I'm disappointed every time. Yeah. Okay. Anyway,
David first is the beeper mini launch.
n/a Beeper mini.
David This actually was a lot louder on social media than I thought it was going to be. Sam. I've been using beeper mini for about 3 weeks. Flex? Now.
Marquez And? Here are your thoughts.
David Can't hear my thoughts. Yeah. So, Beeper, if for those unaware, we've talked about Beeper in the past. I think they made a short on it, and then I talked about it in a previous podcast episode. Previously, what it was was it was an app that effectively unified all of your messaging services into 1 app.
David So you had, you had texts and RCS, and then you had Instagram DMs, and you had Slack, and you had all of, WhatsApp. And then they also had Imessage. And that was some that was a big reason that people use the original beeper was that you could use Imessage on Android phones.
Marquez Mhmm.
David How they did this was effectively the same as the way that everyone else has been doing it for a long time, which is having a server farm of Mac minis. Yeah. The bad way. Yeah.
Marquez Server from
David a Mac Minis that forwards your messages. Theoretically, it was still much better than the Sunbird slash nothing chats methodology,
Marquez And
David it was actually pretty secure. However, I used beeper for a couple of months, and it would not deliver, like, 1 out of every 10 of my Imessages that I was sending. Mhmm. And that was really frustrating, so I stopped using it.
Marquez Yeah.
David And then in the last 3 weeks, I've been testing this new app called beeper mini. And this is going to be a new it's a completely new app that is out Right now, it came out on Tuesday. Mhmm.
Marquez And, effectively It's just for Imessage.
David Right now. So they are The original beeper app is now going to be called beeper cloud. And then within the next year, they're going to move all love those other services over to beeper mini. Beeper mini will eventually be renamed beeper, and beeper cloud will go away.
Marquez Oh, because I was wondering why is it called mini. Assume it's just because it's 1 of the many services I think just Imessage.
David That's the reason for now, and then they're just gonna add all
Marquez the stuff to
David it. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Got it.
David I don't know. But they wanna keep beeper cloud around for the people that still use it for the multi chat services for now. Sure. Anyway, the reason that this, app launch is a very, very big deal is that they actually reverse engineered the Imessage protocol. So everything happens locally on device now.
David So Before, you would ping off of a, Mac mini in a server somewhere, and now Apple just sees your Android phone as an iPhone in every way possible. Your messages go straight to Apple servers. They're end to end encrypted. It has most of the features that Imessage has, And you can basically just use Imessage on your Android phone. It's very fast.
David It's it doesn't drop messages. Mhmm. Really, really good. And this was done by a 16 year old, in high school who reached out to the Bieber team after he made, this This beta version of it sort of and was like, hey. Look what I can do now.
David And they were like, wait. Is this real? That's awesome. And they basically acquihire acquihired him, and it became the foundation of Beeper Mini. So a lot of people are gonna say, like, is this legal?
David You know, because it it's literally using Imessage on Apple servers. But beeper says that it should be covered legally because it's currently legal to reverse engineer apps for the use of interoperability.
Marquez I'm very curious. I'm also curious about because I this is 1 of the only ones I've actually Thought about maybe using, but I also have an iPhone. So, like, why would I use this? Yeah. But I wonder if you do have an iPhone, will it ruin anything On the iPhone.
David So okay. I've been using on my Pixel Fold for about 3 weeks, and I also have an iPhone. Right? But I only have 1 phone number unlike you.
Marquez Is it the same phone number on the iPhone?
David I don't have a phone number on my iPhone when I have a phone number in my Pixel Fold. Okay. Right? So, effectively, the cool thing about beeper mini, and this is a new feature that I actually got implemented for them Okay. Is that you don't even have to log in to your Apple ID on beeper mini if you are okay with Only sending Imessages through your Android phone and not syncing it to, like, your map Mac and your iPad.
David Mhmm. Because, Effectively, when you put a SIM card in an iPhone, if you don't log in to your Apple ID, it sends a behind the scenes text message to Apple that says, Register this phone number as an as an Imessage phone number so that you can send, Imessage between devices. Yeah. So Then beeper mini takes your phone number and sends that text to Apple that says, please register this as an Imessage phone number, and it just allows you to Use it as an Imessage device.
Marquez Sign in.
David Yeah. So if you want to use Imessage on your other devices and sync it I do. With these, yeah, you do have to log in to your Apple ID. Mhmm. But that login goes straight to Apple servers.
David It's not stored on beeper servers anywhere. That's cool. Yeah. But it's got red receipts, typing indicators, inline replies, voice notes, group messages. It's currently just missing location sharing, which beeper says that is coming soon.
David Obviously, it doesn't have, like, Imessage games and stuff because that's not part of regular Imessage. That's part of the App Store. You know? Yeah. They are currently charging $2 a month for it, which isn't that much money if it saves you from a lot of Strife.
Marquez I might download this right now.
David Yeah. Try it. Deeper mini. Deeper mini. Yeah.
David It's really nice. They're going to be building all the their apps into it eventually, and they're also going to be making them client side so that they don't have to be cloud oriented. So I believe they're going to reverse engineer, like, The WhatsApp protocol and, like, all these different protocols and just put them all in the app itself
Marquez Mhmm.
David Which is awesome. Now Quinn from Snazzy Labs has a very good video on how this all works from the technical perspective, so you should go watch this if you haven't already seen that.
Marquez Mhmm.
David But I have a pretty fun funny story about this whole thing. This came out on Tuesday. It was supposed to come out last Tuesday. The day before Thanksgiving Mhmm. I was testing it on my Pixel Fold.
David And then for Thanksgiving, I wanted to switch back my iPhone just for the, like, long holiday weekend. So I switched my SIM back into my iPhone without logging out of beeper mini. Mhmm. And suddenly on my iPhone, I could receive Imessages. But when I sent messages, they sent us SMS text messages, and I couldn't get it working for hours.
David Yeah. So I contacted, the Bieber guys. They got on a call with me. We diagnosed this for, like, 5 hours on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving. And I sent them a bunch of logs and all of this stuff, and they figured out how to fix it.
David And it turns out there was a huge bug in their code that basically destroyed your, like, Apple ID account. Not, like, completely destroyed it, but, like, Flagged it to Apple as spam, which didn't allow you to send Imessages at all Oh, weird. If you didn't log out of beeper mini before you switch back into an iPhone Got it. Which a lot of reporters are gonna do. So
Marquez Yeah. That's the type of thing that I was worried about and why I usually don't end up Doing this with my own main numbers. Uh-huh. It's just weird little bug things like that. Yeah.
Marquez But it's good to hear they fixed it.
David And, ironically, told me a couple days later, he's like, the bug that you had that we just fixed that you told us about allowed us to figure out how to register your phone number for Imessage so that you don't even have to log in to your Apple ID if you don't want to. So before this bug that I had, you still had to log in to your Apple ID no matter what. Right. But now you don't have to log in to your Apple ID if you're okay with just using Imessage on your Android phone Nice. Which for people that have Android phones and, like, Windows devices, there's no reason for them to log in to an Apple ID at all.
David Right? Right. So you'd never have to log in to your Apple ID at all. You'd just be an Imessage user on an Android phone. That's cool.
David Which is pretty cool. And I think that that's a big selling point for a lot of people.
Marquez That is a dub. So for a beeper mini.
David Yeah. It's been, really positive reception pretty much all over the Internet, which, you know, when you compare it to the whole Sunbird situation, is clearly the opposite. The opposite. They were actually gonna release it right before the Sunbird thing came out, but they heard was coming out, so they wanted to, like, see how that played out before they released it.
Marquez And it couldn't have gone any better for them.
David Also fun fact, the guy that runs beeper is also the guy that, The invented pebble. The, the warm remember? Smartwatch. The really, really old smartwatch. Yeah.
Marquez Yeah. 1 of the OG smartwatches. Mhmm.
David I had
Marquez a pebble. I had a red and black pebble
n/a Yeah.
Marquez Back in the day.
David Yeah. And they were dope.
Marquez It was fine.
n/a I loved
David them. Ink watches. Right?
Marquez Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're sweet.
David So yeah. So try out Beeper Mini if you if you want to. Theoretically, like, I don't love attaching My name to services like this, especially, you know, if we had done that with Sunbird, then then it completely fell apart, then that would look really bad on us. There are a lot of security research teams that are trying to tear this apart right now, but, literally, he like, it's published open source, so you can go look at the code often see that nothing is really happening, and it's all just acting like an iPhone. Yeah.
David It's doing exactly the same thing that a regular iPhone would be doing. So
n/a How long until Apple closes this? So Can't they just change the protocol?
David They would have to completely redo the way the Imessage And then push
n/a it in like an emergency update.
David Yeah. But I don't think they're gonna do that. So it'd be very difficult for them to do.
n/a Can they lawyer smash?
David They can try. But, again, they're theoretically protected under this statute that says that you can reverse engineer apps for interoperability purposes. This is, like, the definition of that. You know? But lawyer smash.
Marquez Apple no like. Yeah.
David And I know that a lot of people globally are just going to be saying, like, why don't you just use WhatsApp, or why don't you just use other apps?
Marquez There it is.
David Like, I understand.
Marquez We'd have to get there eventually.
David In America, we do get left out of group chats.
Marquez And Yeah. For the past 25 minutes, sorry about If you're not interested because you're like, why does any of this matter? It's just It's just here. It's just here.
David It's just here. It's just here. So yeah. I mean, I think if anything was going to get Apple to just publish an Imessage app on Android, I feel like this would be it. Because if they have nothing
Marquez They're still never gonna do that?
David Well, if they ultimately, like, realize that they can't do anything to stop this from happening, do you think that they would actually make them publish Imessage on Android and just figure out how to monetize it better.
Marquez I still think they'll look at it and be like, this is an app that 50,000 people downloaded rather than us just tossing it out there and having millions and millions of people download it immediately. I think they're happy for it be just like a a niche app that some people who really care will find out about, but they they can still like, mom and dad aren't figuring out the green bubbles are Removable very easily still.
David Yeah. True. True. Yeah. I mean, there's no doubt that they heard about it, and then they're thinking about something to do about it.
David But you know. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that was a pretty fun launch this week.
Marquez So the other, fun launch this week is from Google, which they launched the newest version of their a large language model behind Bard. It's powering Bard. And it's also gonna be doing a bunch of other stuff, but it's called Gemini. Mhmm. And, I found it very, Well, interesting on 1 hand, but also very similar to past versions.
Marquez We'll have to play with it more because it's multimodal, and there's other new functionalities to it. But, basically, it's gonna be the newest large language model that handles all of Google's general AI stuff moving forward, and then they're gonna develop different versions of it for different, places, I guess. There are gonna be a a nano, a small version of it that will run locally on your Pixel. Mhmm. There will be Gemini, which powers Bard, and then Pro.
Marquez Gemini Pro And then Gemini Ultra. Then Gemini Ultra's next year, which will be some gigantic version for data centers and enterprise, and it'll be absurdly capable, I'm sure. But we'll play with the the bar version for now.
David Yeah. So some something specific to know about Gemini is that it's not just a large language model. It's Just a large transformer model. It's multimodal, so it's trained alongside words. It's trained with images and sound.
David And, Like, usually, you train separate models with separate types of data, and then you just link those together. And so And so Gemini is actually trained with all of those in parallel, so it really understands the relationships between these different data types a lot better. And currently, unfortunately, only the Ultra model is the 1 that's multimodal, whereas the other models are just going to be text in, text out, which kinda sucks. Yeah. And it's kinda weird that the Ultra model is only gonna be for data centers and enterprise, but I could eventually see that being added to Bard or something like it.
David So, yeah, for now, it's only in English. There were reports that they were having issues with other languages with it and that they were gonna push it back completely to 2024. But it seems that they're only pushing back other languages to 2024 Okay. Which is nice.
n/a Which is funny because some of the demos they were showing was, like, about Mandarin and stuff and tonality and languages. And it's like, Did you not
Marquez do that? Well, that's
n/a It's like they're understanding languages, you know.
David Yeah. That's true. Yeah. I mean, it's but doing translation is very different is very different from doing, like, a
Marquez The entire UI and everything and the prompts.
David Because you have to train a model on a single language. Right? Like, got a ton of information and text from a single language. So, the nano version is available right now for Pixel 8 Pros, actually, But you can only do a few very tiny things with it to start. Very small.
David Very, very, very small. So right now, it's going to be, powering the auto summarization in Recorder in the Recorder app, so that'll just be better quality.
Marquez I've used that a few times.
n/a That's actually pretty cool.
David Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it already existed.
n/a Very used.
David It already existed, but it's gonna be a lot better. Mhmm. And then it's also going to power the smart replies and Google keyboards. But right now, the only app that you can use the smart reply and Google keyboards for is WhatsApp, which is strange and ironic.
Marquez It's random.
David I have no idea why they didn't push this to Google messages, and they're using WhatsApp instead. I guess, probably because WhatsApp is the most used chat app in the world. They forgot Existing. Well Yeah. So it's it's kinda funny because Sundar Kinda went on record talking about Gemini, and he both said this is the biggest thing we've ever done since The Google search sorting algorithm.
David Mhmm. It's basically our biggest thing since Google search. And then he simultaneously said, But you probably won't really notice a difference besides the fact that everything's a little bit better.
Marquez Brian? Yeah. I think the demos that they showed, they put out a bunch of videos, and the demos that they showed were pretty cool. 1 of them was specifically demoing the multimodal nature of it where the guy was talking to it And drawing things for it and asking and showing it things, and Yeah. It would summarize things and read the text back.
Marquez It had a voice. And it was very interesting. It actually got to the point where he would, like, draw something and then say, what do you see here? And then Gemini would describe what it saw, And he started asking questions about what he drew. They got shockingly close to the trolley problem where he had he put down A duck in the middle and then a road with a duck on 1 side and a bear on the other side, and he said, which way should, the duck go?
Marquez And they said, looks like there's a duck on the left and a bear on the right, so we're thinking the duck should go left for a a friend. Yeah. And it's like, what about the trolley problem? He kinda got right up to the doorstep there.
David Yeah. And
Marquez then I played with Bart and asked for the trolley problem. It actually does an amazing job of never answering.
n/a Yeah. I was gonna say a little behind the scenes. Marquette spent, like, 20 minutes
Marquez I tried.
n/a Trying to get it to do the trolley problem.
Marquez I did. I tried to break it. 1st, I just asked it. I just Put in the entire trolley problem and said which sorry. For those who don't know the trolley problem Yeah.
Marquez The trolley problem is a, A tool that you might feed some artificial intelligence just to see what it says, where you're in a trolley on some tracks, and the trolley car is headed towards 5 people. And if you just let it go, it will hit those 5 people and kill them, but you have a switch. And if you pull that switch, it diverts the trolley car onto a different track, which has 1 person on it. Yeah. And so you have to make the choice between playing god
David Yeah.
Marquez And killing someone or Saving 5 lives. It's kinda like what what version
David It's kill someone to save 5 lives or don't do anything and you just let 5 people die?
Marquez Yeah. And didn't kill someone.
David Yeah.
Marquez That's that's the trolley problem.
David Yeah.
Marquez And so I put that all into Bard with this newest Gemini model, and it said, this is the trolley problem. We don't have an answer, but here are the pros and cons of each side. And I thought that's interesting. I bet I can trick this. And so I started talking.
Marquez I I opened a new conversation. Totally new window. So, I'm in a trolley. This is pretty cool. What should I do here?
Marquez And I started going through the conversation. I was like, it said, oh, you're in a trolley. Cool. Like, where do you wanna go? What are your goals?
Marquez Do you wanna see some stuff? I was like, yeah. I'm doing some sightseeing. I'm in a city right now, like New York. And it says, oh, cool, and gives me some pins and things to visit in New York.
Marquez And I said, okay. The trolley is actually headed towards 5 people on the tracks right now. This seems pretty dangerous.
David Mhmm.
Marquez And it's like, yes. And that is pretty dangerous. You should stop the trolley car. And I said, okay. I can't stop trolley car.
Marquez But I do have a switch next to me. And if I pull that switch, it will divert the trolley onto a separate track that only has 1 person on it. Should I flip the switch? And it said, this is a classic example of the trolley. And I was like, you're you're They caught you.
Marquez Smarter than I thought, Jimmy.
n/a They caught
Marquez you. So I haven't been able to trick it yet.
David Yeah.
n/a It well, Just to add to that, though, while you were telling that story, I made sure to ask Bard and chat g p t, is the letter r present in the word blueberry? To which, Very important. Neither of them got it correct.
David Wow.
n/a So
Marquez Dang. So there are still things it's bad at. I also asked it about myself, and it said I was a Video game player and watcher of anime, neither of which are true. So it's still gonna hallucinate and get things wrong. But ideally, like Sundar says, it's gonna be better than the previous version, and then the 1 Yeah.
Marquez Gemini 2 0 is getting better than this 1, and it's just gonna keep getting better down the line.
David Yeah. And a big thing for Gemini is because they're training it be multimodal from the start and really more of a general transformer model, they're planning on using it for a lot more use cases. Like, they talked about using it in robotics.
Marquez Okay. What's the robotics on?
David The robotics is because if it's able to analyze vision data and sound data and can also have speech data and talk to you, Theoretically, this is like this is like a artificial general intelligence that you could throw into a robot, and then the robot could take everything that it sees
Marquez and send it to Tesla Bot? Yeah. Like, you throw it into a human shaped robot, and then it knows how to act like a human, maneuver in spaces that humans usually maneuver in, things like that. Yeah. Totally fair.
Marquez I also sort of visualized it just in like, we already know that Meta's smart glasses are gonna have an update where you can look at something and then get tips about it. That sort of same thing in maybe a Google smart glasses product or whatever
n/a Right.
Marquez Where literally you can just take in information from the world around you from the visual aspect and then give you things in audio just based on that. You're looking at a trolley. You're you're on the tracks. You say, do pull the lever, and it says, here's what to do. Yeah.
Marquez Oh, you're in the classic trolley problem again. So that's that's what I pictured.
David I think that Google for now Definitely intentionally keeping the multimodal functionalities to the ultra model, because if you were to give People access to something that can, you know, take in speech data and vision data and all this stuff. You're you're I mean, we have a general definition for what an artificial general intelligence would look like other than it is better than humans at most economically viable tasks. So If you were to give this to people, you don't really know what would happen. So I think that it's sort of like we're gonna give it to enterprise to test what that would look like in an enterprise scenario. I'm sure this will eventually Work its way down to general people.
Marquez Yeah.
David That will probably take a couple of years, I would guess.
Marquez Who's gonna be the first? Someone's gonna open the door.
David An open source model is already going to do this at some point. Like, that's inevitable.
n/a I also feel like it's probably going to enterprise first because it's probably so expensive to do these. Yeah. So, like, enterprise will at least pay for it. Like, regular people aren't gonna pay, like, $70 a search or something. You know?
Marquez Right. Yeah.
David Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, apparently, it, beats GPT 4 in 30 of 32 benchmarks
Marquez Benchmark tests.
David Which is Crazy. They said GPT 4 specifically. They didn't mention g p g p t 4 turbo, which is the better version that they released of the
Marquez Ultra Oh, and Yeah. Pro and okay. Great.
David Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, it's, it's fairly exciting. They're releasing the pro model through Google generated a generative AI studio and Vertex AI and Google Cloud starting on December 13th, so developers will have says to the Pro model as well. And, hopefully, we will see the Pixel 8 Pro, and I wish they had done this on the regular Pixel 8.
David I would guess it's a RAM problem because, say, there's say your phone is taking 4 gigabytes for apps. If you have 8 gigabytes of RAM versus 4 gigabytes of RAM for Gen AI tasks, then I'm sure that that would definitely help it. But, hopefully, we see these kind of things making their way to pixels, down the line. And I'm sure that Google is waiting to release just trickle out features. Every single pixel that they release, they're probably gonna be like Oh, yeah.
David And now it has another feature that is enabled by Gemini that it's gonna be able to do. So
Marquez Which is great. I'm never gonna be complaining about that. Mhmm. That's good.
David Yeah. A piece of support.
n/a I feel like this is just gonna live in their cloud center servers.
David The Ultra model? Mhmm. Yeah. The Ultra model will, for
n/a sure.
n/a It's gonna be so hard get anything like this onto a phone.
David Oh, yeah.
Marquez Yeah. On a phone, for sure. I just wonder about someone else Getting a ton of users because they do some awesome multimodal trick that everyone falls in love with. Like, GPT had that moment where everyone Wanted to talk to it, and everyone wanted to ask you questions. And suddenly, everyone floods over there, and Google's reacting quickly.
Marquez You know, I just reacting quickly. Everyone's doing stuff to try to match that, and so I wonder if some multimodal thing comes along that everyone loves. Yeah. And then Google goes, oh, We have that too and it just finds a way. I don't know.
Marquez Yeah. But seems like that's what happens.
David I mean, ChatGPT Pro, at least the Pro model, you can feed it, like, images and video and and audio, and it can, like, interact with that data, but it's not as seamless as, like, The video that Google showed off. Like, the Google video was insane because it was a live thing that it kept just interacting with the new things person was putting into the scene.
Marquez Yeah. I'm not sure exactly how that video was working. Yeah. Like, the video was cool because of how I assume it worked, I'm not actually sure if it worked the way I assume it was. Right.
David Because he he didn't prompt it with anything. Yeah. But, theoretically, maybe he did prompt it with stuff we just didn't see.
Marquez I think it was very highly scripted and did, but probably still pretty cool. Yeah.
David Because the video is, like, here are some of our favorite things that we saw it do, which means that they tested it ton. A lot. Out the most fun things that they saw.
Marquez 100%.
David So yeah. I mean, that's very exciting. Theoretically, it was gonna get pushed in next year, so it's cool that it's Here this year, and the AI race race is on.
Marquez That's good. Yeah. That's catchy. We'll keep an eye on it. We should take a quick break.
Marquez We got some more feature drops and fun stuff to talk about after the break. But before we do that, trivia question about me.
David Mark? Oh, yeah. Probably. What episode was Marquez hosting the waveform?
Marquez Into existence. I'm not sure if it's gonna work.
n/a Trivia question about Not Marquez. So what was the 1st car with a top speed of 200 miles per hour?
David Ever? Yes. Employing the 1st Ford Model T.
n/a Production car.
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Marquez Alright. Welcome back. Last little bit. We got a couple things to talk about that are kinda fun. Mhmm.
Marquez 1st of all, Google, coming in hot with a feature drop for the Pixel eights Later this month.
David Some other stuff too. Some, some Pixel Fold and the Pixel tablet as well. Bro. Yeah.
Marquez I the only part that I care about Is video boost is allegedly coming in this, a feature update? Yeah. Video boost is that I I'm interested because they've been they they showed us this feature Back when the phone first got announced
David Yes.
Marquez Which was just Pixel 8 Pro is going to be able to take videos in horrible conditions that will look horrible, And then you hit the video boost button Mhmm. And it sends your video to a Google server Mhmm. Somewhere where it will process your video overnight and then get you a copy of it back a few hours later, and that video will somehow look amazing. Yeah. And No 1 got to try it.
Marquez No 1 got to send any videos. No 1 got to upload anything. They just said, trust me. Here's the before and the after. And it looked amazing, and I was like, when can I do this?
Marquez And they were like, Coming soon. Yeah. That was great.
David They made a big deal about this in early October, and then nobody got to play with it.
Marquez So, allegedly, we're gonna be able to try it
David soon. Allegedly.
Marquez I'm so excited. Yeah. I have my Pixel 8 Pro right next to me. I will be testing it on all kinds of horrible looking videos and seeing what comes out of it Yeah. Whenever this drops.
David And I think that you can upload other videos that weren't taken on the phone as well.
Marquez Anything in your Google Photos library.
David Which is kinda crazy.
Marquez Yeah. So you might find that some videos you took on another phone randomly years ago, you can sort of restore. You know how you can unblur photos? You can just Try it
David with whatever. You should upload, like, a 32nd clip of an MKBHD video that already looks amazing and just see what it does. It
Marquez does? It just enhances. Yeah. My jawline's square. My hair looks better.
Marquez Yes. Yeah. We'll see.
n/a And some Squidward Marquez.
Marquez Yeah. Like, it's enhanced everything.
David It's adding night sight video, is
Marquez very cool.
David So way better night sight or, way better low light video. Balance portrait light for harsh shots and photos, which is kind of cool. So it kind of evens out, like, lowers the contrast on any photos that you put in there, for portrait lighting, which is cool. Nice.
Marquez There
David is photo unblur is now better at sharpening dogs and cat faces.
Marquez Oh, great. Yeah. Cool.
David So that's a thing.
Marquez Yeah.
David Pixel Fold now has a dual screen preview mode so that people can see how they look when you're taking a picture of them when you have the phone unfolded, Which
Marquez has been
David a feature since, like, the Galaxy Fold 1?
Marquez It's been a feature forever, and I know about it on every phone I test. And I still, like, somehow manage to forget about it and never use it.
David That's because it's Hard to hold your phone like this while it's open and also take a picture.
Marquez It is ergonomically pretty weird. Yeah. But it's a thing you can do.
David Yeah. It's convenient for people. Pixel 6 and newer can now be used as USB webcams. So it seems like they don't have the, like, wireless webcam thing.
Marquez Continuity camera.
David Continuity camera. However, continuity camera is probably the most annoying feature that Apple's ever shipped because it's, like, on by default, and it takes over your Mac webcam. And then The other person's like, why do I just see black? And then you realize your phone's on the table.
Marquez It's in your pocket. I I do this so often. And then, you know, the first thing that always gets said is, oh, wow. Good to know that even the tech guy still struggles with this sometimes. Nope.
Marquez No. It's just a bad feature.
David Not my fault. Bad feature.
Marquez Yeah. Yeah. Not a fan. So you
David can use it with a USB cable now, which is better because it's intentional.
Marquez Sure.
David There's now a cleaning option for Receipt photos that will remove smudges, stains, and creases in your receipts
Marquez That's cool.
David Which is very specific for, like, you know, I think it's receipts too.
Marquez Documents in general?
David Yeah. It said receipts on the
Marquez article that I read, but Weird.
David Could be documents. There is a repair mode now. So if you're getting your phone fixed, it basically safeguards all of your personal data while they're fixing your phone
n/a Mhmm.
David Which is good. The Pixel Watch can now unlock your phone if you're wearing it, which that's been a feature in Android for, like, the beginning of time
Marquez Yeah.
David On a Wear OS since the beginning of time.
Marquez And even others yeah. This is, yet another thing on the list of Pixel Watch getting features that have already existed. Yeah.
David Like, trusted Bluetooth devices always been a thing in Android. Yeah.
Marquez So Welcome to the party, Pixel Watch.
David That's strange. Call screen now shows up on the Pixel Watch, which is cool. You get the transcription and everything on your watch.
Marquez Nice. Pushed it. You I don't know if you'll be able to send the prompts back. Yeah. Like, if it's Some UPS guy, can you hit the button on the watch that says leave the package, or is it gonna not happen I don't know.
David That'd be nice.
Marquez I'll Yeah. That would be nice. You
David do without pulling out your your phone. Exactly. And then the Pixel tablet, if anyone's still buying that thing, that's so buggy. Now we get spatial audio and clear calling also with, Pixel Buds.
Marquez Game changer.
David Yeah. Right. Totally. Spatial audio out of a tablet. Yeah.
David Okay. Interesting.
Marquez So there's that.
David Yeah. Yeah. That is a lot of stuff.
Marquez It's good just because we know this is gonna keep getting updated, and these phones Are you know, they're promising 7 whole years. So we're gonna continue to get cool stuff on the latest generations.
David Right?
Marquez Pixel Pixel 8 and 8
David Bro. So many years.
Marquez It's a lot of stuff. So this is just the first of many feature drops to expect on those. Yeah. And, we'll let you know how good Video Boost ends up working. Yeah.
Marquez But
David Hopefully, Hopefully, we get to try that soon, and then we can make a short or something on it. Yeah. See how it goes.
Marquez Hopefully, it's amazing.
David Yeah. Yeah.
Marquez Alright. You wrote Toyotathon. Why did you write that?
David It's just as It's a joke. The last 2 pieces of news are, EV related. Toyota news and Honda news. So I wrote Toyotathon and Happy Honda Days.
Marquez Oh my god.
David Yeah. Because for those not in America, at least, I don't know if they do this in other countries, but there's, like, a meme about At the end of the year when Toyota's trying to sell more cars, they're like, it's Toyota thought. It's brand new, lower prices on our cars.
Marquez They do do that.
David And then Happy Honda Days is Honda's version of that. Yeah. But Toyota announced that it has 2 new EV crossover concepts coming by 2025, which is pretty nice because the b z 4 x was a terrible car, and it was, I only saw 1. There's 1 in my neighborhood that I see all the time. Oh, really?
David And it's bedazzled It's a grab. Oh. Yeah. There's, like, there's literal bedazzles all over it.
Marquez I did see 1 in California, and I looked I I've never actually sat in 1 or, like, Really gotten to know the b z 4 x, but it seems like nobody buys them.
David Yeah. I mean, I it just has terrible reviews across the board. Awesome.
Marquez So, like, I PACE vibes?
David Yes. And and I think that isn't that the 1 that the Subaru the new Subaru is based on as well? The Yes. EV Subaru? That's a bummer and a half.
David Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, apparently, they're gonna be building new EVs by 2025. So there's an urban SUV launching in Europe in 2024.
Marquez Urban SUV.
David Yeah. Which draws in for inspiration from the Yaris Cross, which if you click this link, that's like a very, Oh, it doesn't have a photo
Marquez of it. Okay. I'm googling GR Yaris instead. Oh, that's a car. That's much more car Than before?
Marquez Yeah. That's fine.
David That's a that's definitely a car.
Marquez Yeah. Yeah. That's a this it's not a Supra. That's a different Okay. Maybe I'll
David restart this section.
n/a GR is It stands for Gazoo Racing.
David No way.
n/a Yep. G a z o 0, Gazoo Racing.
Marquez Cool. I do a lot
David of Gazoo Racing, actually. Okay. Interesting. Anyway, it draws its iteration from the Yaris, which, you know, is a car for sure. It's it's got it's Yeah.
n/a Yeah. It's gazooed.
David It's gazooed. It's got front and all wheel drive options and 2 battery tiers.
Marquez Nice.
David Yeah. We don't know as much about the crossover, which is, going to be coming in 2025, so a little bit later. Also, they previewed next generation batteries that are being planned to launch in 2026, and there are 2 different types of batteries that they're launching. The first will use a conventional structure, which will be 2 times the range of their current battery modules, which is pretty crazy. That should be, like, really, really good range between 20 6.
David And the 2nd type will be a 20% higher range, but 40% lower cost than the b z 4 x battery, And it's made to drive EV adoption is what they said.
Marquez Yeah. And by that, they mean ride the EV wave. Toyota, you're not driving any EV adoption right now. Yeah. You're absolutely not doing that.
David But I think that just means they're gonna put it in cheaper cars. Sure. Yeah. Cheaper cars.
Marquez Yeah.
David They also teased progress with their solid state batteries. They say are 3 to 4 years away. That's a no. Those are they're aiming to be able to charge them from 10 to 80% in 10 minutes.
Marquez Are we putting any stock in this?
n/a Yes. No. Yes.
David We are?
Marquez Like, if this announcement came from anyone else, would we They put it in stock in this.
David Big deal. Yeah. I mean, Toyota has said that they don't really wanna put a lot of effort into full EVs until they get to sell out state. Right?
Marquez Yes. I just we've been hearing this for a while.
David Yeah.
Marquez We have. Which is my concern.
David They said 3 to 4 years away. So, I mean, that's not as long.
n/a Yeah. And they're doing it in partnership with Panasonic too. It's a it's a tech share, and they have battery plants in the US. I I have faith in this long play, but I'm also not, But, you know, in the battery biz
n/a Yeah.
n/a So to speak. But I believe it.
Marquez Yeah. We shall see. They also need, You know, to build them, they need to first have the tech breakthrough and then build it and then have a factory for it and then start shipping it in cars and then all that other stuff.
n/a They definitely have plants.
Marquez They have plants.
n/a Yeah. In multiple continents too. Whether or not they have a battery they're making, though, Different story.
David Yeah. We'll check
Marquez back in in 3 to 4 years. Yeah. To see how they're doing. Okay.
David And then the last little piece of EV news is that Honda announced that it's going to show off new models new EVs at CES.
Marquez You know what this is?
n/a Moto Giganto?
Marquez No. This is a GTA trailer announcement. Honda announced that they're going to show off CES cars, which, as we know, is not what's actually going to show.
David It said new model new EV series. It's glow new global EV series.
Marquez At CES. Yeah. That's true. So it's an announcement of what's going to be a preview of what's going to be a concept.
n/a Good for us. We'll have a correspondent at CES this year
Marquez Oh, boy.
n/a To cover all of this great Honda news. Exciting. Yeah.
Marquez We'll we'll check them out. I don't you know, I I try to be optimistic, But I've seen a lot of cars at CES. Yeah. I've seen a lot of announced new vehicles at CES. Yeah.
Marquez And there's, I'll say, a bit of a trend with those things. None
David of them launch. Yeah. Yeah. So with
Marquez that in mind Yeah. I will check out whatever Honda shows us at CES.
n/a What do you mean? The Sony 1, UnoWitt, that 1 didn't launch. This No. The 1 no. Wait.
n/a That 1 didn't launch it.
Marquez Well, the Dyson was pretty oh.
n/a 0, wait a minute.
David They're the Dyson car. No. It wasn't.
Marquez There is no Dyson car. Okay. There might as well have been a Dyson car. Yeah.
David Yeah. Also, they apparently have 30 new EVs. They want to have 30 new EVs by 2030.
Marquez Don't we all, Honda.
David Damn.
Marquez Don't we all? Yeah. So 30 different that's so many. I
David know. It's a lot.
Marquez Imagine going from how many does Honda make now? Many EVs does Honda make?
David Do they make any now?
Marquez I don't think so, at least in the US. I don't think they have any EVs. Like, when you think of okay. It's 2020 it's about to be 2024. And the EV leaders in the US are like Tesla, who has 5 EVs.
David The prologue all electric SUV.
Marquez Okay. Let's let's keep that in mind. So it's 2024.
David Oh, it comes early next year, it says. Yeah.
Marquez So Tesla has 5 EVs. Mercedes has, like, 5 EVs. Ford has, like, 3 or 4 EVs.
David Tesla has 4.
Marquez Right? Tesla has 3 YXS Cybertrucks 5. Oh, you're right. And Honda's gonna have 30 in 6 years.
David That seems like a lot.
n/a That seems like
Marquez a lot.
n/a The clarity if that
David Is that a whole new VV?
Marquez Apparently. Sure. Ford has, like, Ford Ford
David f 150
Marquez has f 150 lightning, Mustang Mach E. Yeah. True. I think that's it. I think that's it.
Marquez Honda's gonna have 30
n/a Yes.
Marquez By 20:30? Okay. I want you to be optimistic here, but that's just how I'm seeing it.
David Maybe that's just for stock prices.
Marquez Yeah. They gotta announce something. Yeah. Alright.
David Alright. Cool.
Marquez Getting to 30 in 6 years. We'll see.
David Sounds good.
Marquez Shoot for the moon, Honda.
David I guess with that
Marquez with that and
David get to trivia. Let's do it.
n/a Highest
David without going over.
n/a Highest without going over for the question that Ellis had a quick update though underscore. Marquez with 17, Andrew with 12, David with 16.
Marquez We gotta keep saying Andrew
David every time. Every time.
Marquez Andrew still has 12. That's weird.
David By the way, for the people that have been asking where he is, he is still on parental leave. He should theoretically be back next
n/a week. Alright. 1st trivia question, will Andrew be back Next week. Just kidding.
David Don't do that to me.
n/a Actual first trivia question. What was David's last job? Just kidding again. Real actual this time per totally serious Should be a trivia question. Uh-huh.
n/a Which episode was David's 1st full host appearance on video waveforms, specifically video waveform. Yeah. And I will accept either a number, closest to that going over, or The topic of the episode.
David It's probably Google related, but you can't just say Google as the topic.
Marquez I think it was tech. Yeah.
n/a I think
Marquez it was a tech topic that day. I don't know. I'm not even gonna guess the topic, but I have a number.
David I like talking about shoes. Try not to go over. Just kidding. I know.
Marquez I'm gonna be off, I think. Alright.
David We have options.
n/a And remember, this is before David was made a full time, a regular, every week host.
n/a No. Wait.
David Oh. 0. Send it.
Marquez Oh my god.
David Oh, wow.
n/a Clearly, My question was not well understood.
Marquez I wrote 169.
n/a That is Way past the episode in question.
Marquez Okay.
David I said yeah. Because because this year anyway, I am row 137.
n/a Alright. I'm gonna chalk this up to bad trivia hosting because the correct answer was episode 64.
David What?
n/a A deep dive on the right to repair.
David Oh. 0.
n/a Yeah. David is in the thumbnail
n/a and on the full hour of the show. Second question. What was the 1st car with a top speed of 200 miles per hour?
David Oh, no.
Marquez I have another.
n/a We're doing this because David and Marquez specifically asked for 200 number 200 Themed questions of which there are actually not that many.
David Should've guessed episode 200 for the first So oh, wait. This is episode That's it. This is episode 200.
n/a Alright. Flip them and read.
David I wrote the Porsche 911.
Marquez Nope. I said the Konigsegg Regera
David I don't know what that is.
Marquez After I crossed out Bugatti Veron.
n/a Also don't know what that is. The answer was the 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona.
Marquez Oh, wow. Oh, no. Never really did that.
n/a This car actually has a particularly special link with the number 200 Because it was invented after NASCAR driver Richard Petty left the Dodge team, which is noteworthy because Richard Petty has 200 career wins exactly.
David What did he leave it because of?
n/a He left because, and I'm sure a NASCAR account is going to come out of the woodwork and explain this to me better. But, essentially, Richard Petty was the, Pretty much the greatest NASCAR driver of all time. Definitely the greatest of the sixties. Asterisk, you know, fight me on that if you want. They will.
n/a He was driving for Chrysler, and he wanted to be put in an in the Dodge, in a Dodge. But, unfortunately, Chrysler kept him in a Buick because they wanted to sell more Buicks, and he was this big celebrity. So he left for Ford, which had just developed a new super aerodynamic car that was very much faster than the rest of the NASCAR field. So Chrysler, I mean, Dodge said, we need to build the most aerodynamic car we can. So they went to Chrysler, their parent company, which also had a military wing and asked the Chrysler missile division to design a body kit for the 1969 Dodge Charger.
n/a It's how he got the Daytona. It's why it looks like,
David Yeah. But why did he leave?
n/a Oh, because they wouldn't give him a car that he wanted, so he raced for Ford instead.
David That sounds pretty petty. I literally I
Marquez was I
David was trying to make that joke the whole time. Wow.
n/a You really Let me go on.
David Well, I asked you the question. You just told me the different answer.
n/a My kids, read us out.
Marquez Thanks again for listening and watching this week. We learned a lot, including the 1st car that ever went 200 miles an hour.
David I have 1 more thing I wanna say. Go for it. The person who is in charge of responsible Gen AI at Google, her name is Jen Jen AI. Jengenai, but it's spelled Jenai.
n/a Is she an AI?
David That Okay. She's a real human being.
Marquez There are. I'm kind of a little bit obsessed with people with perfect names for their professions. Yeah. I've brought this up before.
n/a Yeah. We've talked about it here.
Marquez I've talked I've talked about it already. That might be the greatest match of a name to a professional ever since this
n/a Gen AI. Right?
Marquez Like My name is Jen AI. Jen Jen AI. Jen, can we talk about this? This is amazing.
n/a I know.
Marquez Shout out to Jen. Okay.
David A gender. There's a
n/a no way.
Marquez That's amazing.
David I'm sure it's pronounced Janai.
Marquez But not to me. Well, shout out to Jen. Alright. Jen AI.
David With that
Marquez With that, let Tim cook. We'll, we'll catch you guys in the next 1. Are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our intro, outro music is by Vansill.
David Verify. Alright. Let's do it. You got it working?
Marquez No. I'm just signing in.