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Tucker Carlson No decent person can watch the video of young people being murdered at a music festival in Southern Israel Without feeling horrified. It's Awful. And there's No Ex excuse It. No matter what you Think Of Israel's Policies in Gaza, You Are Not Allowed To Shoot People At Music Festivals. That's A Crime.
Tucker Carlson Israel Has A right To Respond To That Crime And To Defend Itself. No 1 Seriously Can Contest That. The Question From American Policy. However, Is What Do We Do Next? How do we Represent The Interest Of the United States In This Chaotic Moment?
Tucker Carlson That's Not A Selfish question. It's The Whole Point Of Making Policy For a Country To Improve and protect That Country. If You Serve in the U. S. Congress For The Executive Branch Of Government, You have A Moral Duty To Think This Way.
Tucker Carlson It's Your Job. You Serve the United States And Its Population. You Have No Moral Authority Except to the extent that you represent your fellow Americans. That's our system. It used to be obvious, but it's worth remembering now because the conflict between Israel and Hamas could escalate into a war between Iran and its allies and the west.
Tucker Carlson Once a war like That starts, you could easily imagine the use of nuclear weapons and all that entails. Millions dead, the collapse of the Global economy. At the very Least, You Could See an unprecedented Energy Crisis Here. Already Gas And 1 Bay area Service Station Hit 7 dollars 29 cents a gallon Over The Weekend. If That Trend worsen And Persists the United States, which is Already Technically Speaking, bankrupt Would Plunge Into Depression.
Tucker Carlson And No It would Not Be Like The 19 thirties. Close To 10000000 People Have Come Here Over The Last 3 Years From The Poorest Places In The World. The overwhelming majority of them are on some form of federal subsidies. We wonder how that's going to work out when the u Us government runs out of money. So There's A Lot At Stake In How We Encourage Israel To Respond To The Horrifying Hamas Attacks.
Tucker Carlson Wisdom And Long Term Thinking Are Essential. But you will not be surprised to learn That is not what we are getting. Watch this person For example, who happens to be The Media pick for President of the United States.
Nikki Haley This Is Not Just An Attack On Israel. This Is An Attack On America Because They Hate Us Just As Much. And what we have to understand is, this is the reason that we have to unite around making sure our enemies do not Hurt Our Friends. America Can Never Be So Arrogant To Think We Don't Need Friends. Just Like We Needed On 09:11.
Nikki Haley That's Why Ukraine needs Us When Russia is Doing This. That's Why Israel Needs Us When Hamas and Iran Doing This. And I'll say This to to Prime Minister Netanyahu Fin. Them. Finish them.
Nikki Haley Hamas did this You Know Iran's Behind it Finish them. They Should Have Held To pay for what They've just done.
Tucker Carlson This Was an attached. On America She Says What In Fact, It Was Not. And For that Reason We Must Quote Finish Iran, A Nation Of Nearly 90000000 People. What are we Watching Here? This is Not Sober Leadership.
Tucker Carlson She's A Child And this is The Tantrum Of A Child, Ignorant, Cock Bloodthirsty. Yet No 1 In Washington Scolded Her For It. In fact, They Ape Her Hysteria. Here's Fellow Neil Con Graham Just Spelling It Out. And Calling For The Bombing Of Iran.
Lindsey Graham So I've Been on The Phone All Day To the Mid East. And Told Our Allies And People With. Connections to ron, what I would do, I would tell Iran that if has law attacks Israel we're gonna come after you the Iranians and have a coordinated effort between the United States and Israel to put iran out of the oil business, but it's... Storing their refineries. There 4 major refineries in iran, their fixed targets.
Lindsey Graham It has law taxes israel, I would make a wrong debt every Press.
Tucker Carlson What Exactly Would Happened The United States If We Declared War On Iran And Started Blowing Up Their Infrastructure. Press Lindsey graham Has No Clue What would Happen. He Hasn't Thought It Through. He's Almost 70 Years Old And He Has No Children. He Doesn't Care.
Tucker Carlson But Neither Amazingly Demos most of His Colleagues In Washington. There Is Reckless As He Is. Texas Congressman Dan Cr shot Took To Social Media To Call For what He Described As A war To End all wars As If There is such a thing. But, of course, There Isn't Such a thing. Wars Beg get More War, The Bigger The Conflict The U And Longer lasting The Consequences See World war 1 For Details.
Tucker Carlson These Are Not Complex Observations, But They Seem Lost On Our Leadership Class. Alone Among Candidates Running For the Republican Nomination For President. Vi Ramaswamy dare to suggest that actually going to war with Iran might not be an America's national interest. And For saying that, Mike Pence immediately denounced Him As gut and un or something. But We Thought it might be worth hearing more.
Tucker Carlson The Vi Ramaswamy joins us now. The Vic, thanks so much for coming on. So if I'm reading this correctly, you suggested well offering would seem like real sympathy to The Israeli People to the many Murdered There 2 days ago. You noted that maybe it's Not In America's Best long term interest To Declare War Run. Is That What You Said?
Vivek Ramaswamy I actually Said This Long before This Crisis when People were thinking clear headed. And wanna say a couple of things that are obvious but important Tucker. I mean, what happened against Israel. You said it, I believe it, it is barbaric. It is medieval.
Vivek Ramaswamy It... Wrong and Israel as a nation. Absolutely. Has the right to self defense to its own national existence. And I think they should have our moral and Dip nomadic support as an ally.
Vivek Ramaswamy But there's 1 element of this that nobody talking about. What the hell went wrong with Us and Israeli intelligence and the Israeli defense that allowed this to happen. Everybody seems to be punt that as a question for later. I think it's a question for now if you're Israel. I mean, look, I think that Nikki Haley I disagree with you a little bit.
Vivek Ramaswamy I don't think she's a child. I think that she is somebody who is like many politicians in a position to get wealthier from war. Look at the military contracting business and otherwise. But put that to 1 side. The message that I would send would be very different.
Vivek Ramaswamy Get to the bottom of what allowed this gaping... Whole of intelligence and defense to even happen. Before feeding that same base. If a doctor told you, his was job was to keep you from getting cancer and then you got that cancer, don't go trust that same doctor to remove your tumor. They don't let airplanes when they crash, the pilots or the people who crash the airplane that airline is not the 1 who reviews the black box.
Vivek Ramaswamy And so I think those answers have to come now. That's not a question for later. The And I think 1 of the learnings for the. I there's a lot of learnings for the Us Tucker, but 1 of the learnings is if that establishment can get it wrong in israel from the Us perspective. That can happen right here at home.
Vivek Ramaswamy And if anything as an ally, 1 of the things that we need to wake up to is that we're vulnerable here in the United States, to the same. And so we can do some things to prevent that, secure our border, stop funding. I mean I think 1 of the things that's been wrong in the Us is to we have a bad habit while we're bankrupt, funding both sides of wars that should have been avoided in the first place. Look at the money that's indirectly found its way to hamas, the 6000000000 paid to Iran in the recent ransom. That was a disaster.
Vivek Ramaswamy Yet we're effectively now funding both sides of a war that we shouldn't have been in in the first place in places like Russia and Ukraine even think about how we hampered oil production in the United States and then now has funding Us funding going into to Ukraine in fighting back against Russia. It's a bad habit in the United And States, And We Need leaders here Who will Look after what Advances American Interest. And I Find What Dan Cr Said To be Cringe worthy. It is shameful. World war 1 was supposed to be the world that the the war that ended all wars that got us to World of war 2, that can't be the way that we run foreign policy.
Vivek Ramaswamy The job of American leaders is to advance American interests. And I think we support is israeli leaders ask asking what advances and defends Israel as we should. Morally and diplomatic, but leaders here need to look after American interest first.
Tucker Carlson Asking the conversation can't be limited to right and wrong. I mean, I don't think there's any diff anyone Defending The Murder Of Concert Go goers In The Na gave 2 Days Ago Is You know, disqualified From, you know, Being Taken Seriously. Of Course, That's wrong. But it doesn't seem like any American policy is even willing to entertain other questions like What's in America's best interest What effect will this have on the Global economy on our economy on energy prices. These are not Small things.
Tucker Carlson They should not be dismissed, but they are dismissed out of hand And you're some sort of quiz If You even Ukraine7 the question. Why is that? It seems crazy to me.
Vivek Ramaswamy Well, look, I mean, if you wanna ask the question of right and wrong, then open that Pandora box, I don't favor doing this. But look at what's happening with Azerbaijan and Armenia. You don't really hear much about that now? Why because Azerbaijan john's lobby is about as effective as Ukraine. In Washington D.
Vivek Ramaswamy C. So this selective moral outrage
Tucker Carlson I may I ask you to pause may I ask you to pause for just 1 moment there and just Unpack That For Viewers Who Are Not Aware Of What You're Referring To. Armenia Azerbaijan, What is Happening?
Vivek Ramaswamy Yes. So I mean, what's happening is in atrocity. I mean, you have a people who are armenians, largely Christians, 6 figure number's, hundred hundred 20000. Being driven back to their country from A region that has long been a place they have called home. A lot of atrocities that aren't even yet come into light In Western media But Azerbaijan has a lobby, a powerful lobby in Washington, D.
Vivek Ramaswamy And I think a big part of what's wrong in the United States today, Tucker, and I don't mean to toot my own horn, but it's why I'm coming in as an outsider into this nonsense is you have a system that is bought and paid for, both for the people who run on the Democratic ticket, people who run on the Republican ticket and people who make those decisions in Washington, Dc that are effectively managed By, in this case, the Azerbaijan jean Lobby that has a lid on discussing this conflict, which as you pointed out, most Americans haven't heard of. But you'll hear endlessly about Russia's incur on Ukraine and having to stand on the right side, that's a separate point where I reject that Ukraine is inherently good anyway. But even if it were, a selective moral outrage in that case, but not another 1 in just a neighboring area that interfaces with Russia as well. So open that Pandora box around the world I mean, look at much of Africa. Look elsewhere, you're gonna find ability to have selective moral outrage.
Vivek Ramaswamy But you only hear about it in certain selective cases that the media and the existing establishment in both parties deemed fit for the American public. And what we need is leaders in this country who were honest in calling out atrocities where they occur. What happened in Israel was wrong. I think we require leaders some on the far left or too afraid to say it, it was wrong. But at the same time we need leaders on the right who are willing to say in other places too.
Vivek Ramaswamy Like what's happening in Azerbaijan and Armenia, but at the same time to have the clarity and American centric fore thought, to say what policy decisions we make are separate from the moral judgments that we will pass. So to say we will be with you diplomatic, Absolutely. To say we will you have our moral support, absolutely. That we're not Monologue5 in the way of you defending your national boundaries? Absolutely.
Vivek Ramaswamy Even further, to say that in limited circumstances that advance Us interests, we will provide munitions. We can't do it across the board. It's to 0 sum game wanted comes to munitions. Between Israel, Ukraine, you know, Taiwan next in the future. But in a limited way that advances Us interest that has to be the sole prism and that doesn't exist right now, Tucker in the establishment of either political party.
Vivek Ramaswamy And I think that the things that we're saying now to some may sound un coup. I don't think they should. This is what the job of a national leader actually ought to be. And That's how I'm planning to lead This Country if I'm Elected.
Tucker Carlson I I got see you you Monologue5 Moral Outrage And I thought the videos. From Southern Israel were morally outrageous, and I I was offended to them and and sad by them. Anyone who saw them I think was. But don't have to look for in the Ukraine7 States For Moral outrage also on video. When there's Not a City in this country not Just the Big cities, but cities of 10000 people I was in 1 yesterday.
Tucker Carlson That doesn't have... Some Constellation of Drug addicted young people Living outside Call in The homeless Their Drug addicts. And they're addicted to Drugs that were imported, Across An Open Border, Allowed By Biden Administration They're Dying More Than a hundred thousand A Year. Now He Could Call It Genes genocide You can call Whatever you want. But It's The Death Of Over A thousand Americans A year And the Living Death Of Millions More Who are Living Outside.
Tucker Carlson So Sure. I don't understand people are outraged by what happened in israel. And again, I I wanna add my voice to that because I'm human being. But The scale of the outrage among Republican presidential candidates was so much more intent. What Took to a Bull horn and start Yelling about it.
Tucker Carlson I get it. But no 1 would think to do that about the thousand American young people murdered every year, and they are murdered honestly, would buy... Give me a that. Like what? Yeah.
Vivek Ramaswamy I'll take my bull horn for that 1. And let's just go a little bit deeper on that 1. This is the product of some intentional design. I mean, there are literally synthetic creek precursor to make synthetic fentanyl coming from Wuhan of all places. To Mexican drug cartel south of our own border, pumping that up and you wanna just numbers to get the scale intact.
Vivek Ramaswamy 50 times, the number of people who died on 09:11 are going to die this year as a consequence of fentanyl just crossing our southern border. A couple days ago, I was actually at our northern border in the Northern part of New Hampshire, totally wide open border. I mean, to call this por is an overstate. It's just an open border, and there was... Enough fentanyl that cross just last year, 20 22, to kill 3 plus million Americans that was just the amount that was caught, let alone the amount that wasn't.
Vivek Ramaswamy And so this is the product of intentional design. People will say is that because of a drug epidemic and demand, you know, that's a separate debate, but A lot of that fentanyl being laced into. People who are taking it have no idea that they're taking fentanyl taking other drugs that have fentanyl, that's killing them on the spot. That's closer to bio terrorism. Nobody would call an overdose, if you put it in a big Mac.
Vivek Ramaswamy There is no level of moral outrage forget the democratic party I've written that 1 off in the Republican party of the same scale of this incur right here at home. And so 1 of the things that allies do is they learn from each other. I think that intelligence sharing operations is critical with allies with Israel and otherwise. I think 1 of the things we can do is learn from both the... Excesses and in this case, a bad failure in the case of our ally to say if we have borders that are as open as ours, even Israel that had a border as protected as its own saw this happen, we could have far worse or the equivalent happening right here at home.
Vivek Ramaswamy I mean, other things that nobody's talking about Tucker is not just border defenses. We don't have an iron dome in this country, Yet we're vulnerable to nuclear missile attacks any given day and we're marching closer, into nuclear conflict in multiple parts of the world, most notably with Russia, Think about cyber defenses. And if that really was a cyber attack or whatever explanation it might be for why Israel was caught off guard. We're vulnerable to cyber attacks in this country. Electromagnetic pulse attacks.
Vivek Ramaswamy Nobody's talking about that could take out our electric grid, which by the way, has 60 Chinese transformers in it. You're gonna talk about space based defenses. Totally missing in the United States of America. That's where my outrage is highest is our own vulnerability right here in the homeland. And I do not think that it is cra.
Vivek Ramaswamy I think it is the morally correct answer for leaders of nations to ask how they protect the interests of their nation. That Comes with Allies. And So I think that it is important Not to Create an equivalence between Hamas and Israel as Some on the American Left and European Left are trying To do. It is wrong. What happened Israel.
Vivek Ramaswamy And I call that out and as a as a human being and is somebody who's on a belief of some people are on the right side and the wrong side of a conflict. I think that that is far clearer here than it is. For example, in the Russia Ukraine conflict or other areas where people have baked that cake. But the selective nature of Ignoring certain other conflicts. While even more importantly ignoring the interests of the Us right here at home is what irritates the heck out of me out of the politicians in both parties and it is shameful.
Vivek Ramaswamy And I think that there are frankly, financial and corrupting influences that lead them the exactly to speak the way they do. That's just the hard truth.
Tucker Carlson How could you pay for a much needed defense system in another country, but not in your own country. I don't understand I I mean how how how can you... How how Ukraine7 you pretend
Vivek Ramaswamy to be a leader in your country if you're doing something like that. It seems so immoral to me. Pretending is a good good word to use. I do think it's immoral Tucker to abandon, completely ab defending our own border, yet worrying about other people's borders more than we worry about our own. That's not to legit anything that's happening, in other parts of the world, far from us divert deserves be condemned, but start if you're the president of the united states.
Vivek Ramaswamy Your obligation is to your homeland, defend your homeland. People will say in response and I get this, right? From the other presidential candidates. Oh, we can walk and chew gum at that same time. You are neither walking nor chewing gum.
Vivek Ramaswamy You are absolutely leaving our country vulnerable to every form of attack. Same until it's too late. But then it's 1 thing Tucker to say that, okay, People come to this conclusion if this is a new question. This isn't a new question. We spent 3000000000000 dollars in Iraq and in Afghanistan to what end exactly.
Vivek Ramaswamy It's the Taliban still Control In Afghanistan. In Iraq, We Still Have Hostile Effectively Anti American Control, Vulnerable Dire Incur As well While We're At It. To What End And So If you don't learn from the mistakes of the past, it's not like we haven't had plenty of opportunities to reflect on that in the recent past. If you don't learn from those mistakes in the past. If you're destined to make the same mistakes in the future.
Vivek Ramaswamy And right now, we're in a position that's even more bankrupt, even more in the whole 33000000000000 dollars in the whole, then we were when we marched our way into those foreign wars last time around. So I think it's important to be clear about what we will and won't do as the United States Of America that gives clarity to our allies who deserve clarity from the United States. That's the other dimension of this 2 is by being vague about what that means. Yelling, finish them, finish them finish them in the screen. What does that actually mean?
Vivek Ramaswamy By creating in false equivalence between an tattoo on America, which thankfully we haven't had and an attack on an ally of America. You create moral confusion in absence of hard red lines, back And I think that's what I'm worried about very much so in Russia. There are no clear red lines when we're, you know, using a moral justification to advance award that doesn't advance American interests. The last thing is we need to repeat that same mistake in other parts of the world. That's a formula for getting to World War 3.
Vivek Ramaswamy And if you're someone like a Nikki Haley, who is going to profit from World War 3, I think you're disqualified from being the President
Tucker Carlson of the United States. I feel so sorry for the Israelis and for the Ukraine7 for that matter. I have no sympathy at all. For our leaders. I think they're disgusting.
Tucker Carlson So let me ask you just 1 last question. So Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, this Cr guy Probably the entire leadership of the Republican party is effectively calling for war with Iran. Us war with Iran. What would that mean? Do you think?
Vivek Ramaswamy So I do not think that it is a good idea for us to enter war with Iran. I think it would be good in the outcome that I expect. Is that Israel will be successful in defeating Hamas here in protecting its own homeland, they've done it countless times for. I think they're gonna do it again. I think it is appropriate for the Us to support Israel diplomatic.
Vivek Ramaswamy At the Un when they're gonna come after Israel or otherwise for the Us to take a strong stand in favor of an ally that has been good and can continue to be good to the Us. And I think that's limited military support as well without using ground troops on the ground, military support without ground troops that make sense. But I think for others who have refused to take the option of ground troops off the table or whatever, I think we're doing a disservice to everybody, especially here in the United States. For And I do not think that right now, I mean, 1 of things to remember Tucker is, you know people a domestic policy will say it's the economy stupid. Foreign policy, it's China stupid.
Vivek Ramaswamy That's really what we need to remember. Russia is being driven further into China's hands. Iran is backed by China economically as well. Sanctions and everything else. Part of the reason why they haven't had the effect is that China's still got their back.
Vivek Ramaswamy And so right now, I mean, if you look at even the artillery shells that earlier this year, 300000 to the Tune of Us. Artillery shells stored in Israel that we encouraged. To send to Ukraine. It's a 0 sum game. And so we're actually rolling out the red carpet, d multiple reserves between Ukraine with Israel I think we are paving the red carpet for China to Annex Taiwan while we still depend on Taiwan foremost.
Vivek Ramaswamy For our modern way of life in a way that we don't for Ukraine and or other conflicts that we're marching our way into. And so that's the way we need to look at the says what advances American interests? Yes, stand firmly for what's right and wrong diplomatic and otherwise. But do it in a way that responsibly looks after American interest first. And that's the real divide in the Republican party.
Vivek Ramaswamy I do think we have a real fundamental ideological divide in the Republican party, and we ought to be able to have that debate in the open. I think we're not having it right now. And I for my part, will be una and standing for putting the interests of this nation first because that happens to be the office that I'm running for. While being crystal clear about the fact that what happened in Israel was wrong, it was barbaric. It was something that was inhumane, and we have to provide them moral and diplomatic support that we need at the same time, the job of the Us President is to stand for American citizens here in the homeland.
Vivek Ramaswamy And that's on planning delayed.
Tucker Carlson Well, that's right. They have no right. Our leaders have no right except to act in the interest of the United States. Anything outside that is immoral and They have no authority to do it. So anyway...
Tucker Carlson Yeah. I appreciate you're willing to explain your views on this and to say something it was unpopular with the with the reckless morons running country.
Vivek Ramaswamy If phones just say 1 thing to go ahead thinking about the why, the why on this. Right? Because I think... For me for a long time looking at this from the outside. I'm not in the world of politics, or I'm in the world of politics now, but for, like, all of 7 months.
Vivek Ramaswamy Before that I'm looking at it from the outside and, you wonder. Why? Right? It's a bit of a mystery when you see the Lindsey Graham or the Nikki Haley or the John Bolton or the, you know, other people of this of this persuasion. The Mike Pence is like Christie wing of this party.
Vivek Ramaswamy Being now in the sport, I think I do have a much better under standing for why it's played the way that it is. It comes down in most cases, some people do have ideological commitments that are outdated that are earnest but a lot of it comes down to money. The corrupting influence of super packs on the process. And I think that in the same... Frame of putting American interest first in our foreign policy.
Vivek Ramaswamy Even when you think about a left wing idea from 15, 20 years ago, heck I'd embrace it now to say, get the influence of super packs and mega money out of politics. I would be happy. To tell any super pac backing me to give money back to those mega donors and I wanna show up your events or whatever. As long as Nikki Haley and Ron Des sanders and Tim Scott and everybody Par in a political race is standing for their own views, does the same thing. And it's not a pan it.
Vivek Ramaswamy It's not a fix all But when you understand that there are interests at work that go beyond just the earnest debate of differing views. That's really, I think how we're gonna get back to honest discourse in the Republican party and in American politics is get the influence of mega money out of politics. The... Packs are a cancer, I'm happy to lead the way. But without that, I think we're gonna probably just be destined to expect more of the same.
Vivek Ramaswamy That's just the hard factor.
Tucker Carlson How sol would you have to be to take cash in exchange for wrecking your own country. And by the way, the ones who are emotionally committed to it, that the true warm and know all of them. And I can say this about them, not 1 of them has a normal sex life. I'm just saying that that's true. Whatever.
Tucker Carlson Oh, I'll leave that to you, Doctor. Floyd. No. Anyway, Thank You So much For Coming On. Appreciate it.
Vivek Ramaswamy Thank You. Good See.